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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jul 18 2016, 09:04 PM Post #1 |
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Let me state up front that I generally don't have a problem with scholarly Gohan. He's got a family and a job he enjoys. I can be happy for him, but was it a good idea to start Gohan down this path in a series that primarily deals with fighting? In the context of the manga, this wasn't a big deal because the series was on the verge of ending by the time he actually became a scholar, but GT and Super would go on to expand the story. Gohan is now either spending time with his family, or getting his a*** kicked in a battle he has no business participating in. In other words Gohan is staying out of the action almost entirely, and as result, not much time is spent on him, and for some, I'm sure that's upsetting. The only way Gohan is going to have a prominent role in a series like this is if he's fighting, so I'll ask again, was it a good idea to start Gohan down this path? EDIT: Holy s***, I just realize that Gohan is just Kuririn now. He gave up fighting, married a beautiful girl, had a daughter, and gets his a*** kicked if he tries to fight. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jul 18 2016, 09:14 PM.
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| EMIYA | Jul 18 2016, 11:58 PM Post #2 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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Isn't it amazing how GT is doing something better...again!? They kept him as a scholar, he's rocking those book nerd glasses. But he's also stronger than he was before, he's also still capable of fighting. GT was able to combine the scholarly Gohan with the ability to be competent and adept. Sure he's not kicking people in half SSj2 style but he's also not getting Good Boo's thrown at him. He plays more of a supporting role now but that's more of a role he's ever played in Super to be honest. See anyone could write Gohan as being both an intelligent person who studies on the side, but is strong and trains and fights others when the time calls for it. But Toriyama and the rest seem to be thinking that you have two sides...you can either fight...or you can think... Both? What is this black magic you talk about? |
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| + Clearin | Jul 19 2016, 01:12 AM Post #3 |
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Gohan's already lost his chance to ever be relevant anyway, along with the other characters. Any character that is a threat to Goku and Vegeta is way out of Gohan's league, regardless of if he trains or not. He's not going to be catching up to two battle-obsessed God level saiyans. And the fact that the first villain of the series was the one who introduced God power, he never really got a chance to show off anything. Of course he did get to beat some minor characters in the RoF saga, so that's pretty cool I guess? Other than that he's basically just become what everyone else who isn't Goku and Vegeta have. Piccolo no longer fights, Krillin no longer fights (which you mentioned in your post), Tien, Yamcha, Roshi etc. They're all characters that were once relevant power-wise and now are leaving peaceful lives and doing their own thing. Except Tien who still trains but is useless in battle anyway. And out of all of them, Gohan's is probably the LEAST jarring. I mean yeah power-wise he went from being the strongest to this in the first saga of Super, but personality-wise, it's the one that you could see coming from a mile away. Krillin, Piccolo, Yamcha and Roshi were all expert martial artists who chose that path and worked their life towards it. Gohan was forced into battle situations and at best was indifferent to it, and at worst hated it. Gohan's my favourite character and I honestly love the scenes with his family. Plus it's a nice contrast to Goku. The only thing I don't like is how they gave us that crap in the RoF arc about Gohan training again and then just kinda acting like it never happened. Edited by Clearin, Jul 19 2016, 01:20 AM.
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| * Yu Narukami | Jul 19 2016, 01:17 AM Post #4 |
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Izanagi!
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I totally agree with ya, Clearin. It's awesome seeing Gohan with his family. However, it's inevitable that he's going to be pushed into another fight at some point, as the talk of his potential means that he's still fair game for a new opponent to show how strong they are. |
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| + Son-Goku | Jul 19 2016, 01:17 AM Post #5 |
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Yes, I think Super is doing a perfect job of Gohan tbh. They're doing it better than GT imo. Gohan is supposed to give up on fighting, we see that at the end of Dragon Ball Z that he had given up. I see no problems with it at all. Gohan is much better off on the sidelines as well. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jul 19 2016, 01:17 AM Post #6 |
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He doesn't even have to train. He just has to sit still for 5 minutes and turn into a god. Seriously, even if his incredible potential doesn't amount to s*** in this case, he'd still be close to as strong as Goku and Vegeta. |
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| + Clearin | Jul 19 2016, 01:26 AM Post #7 |
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The only way that would happen is if there's a villain who was stronger than Goku and Vegeta though. That kind of thing never happens in Dragon Ball unless it's to answer an immediate threat. Zenkais are only purposely abused once in the entire series, by Vegeta to have an immediate answer to Freeza's final form. Despite the fact Goku and Vegeta could get infinitely stronger just by nearly killing themselves and eating a senzu. Likewise Gohan only got his power unlocked to fight Boo, then Elder Kaioshin never unlocked anyone elses power in the peaceful times. Even Dende only had his potential unlocked by Guru when he needed to fly as fast as possible to Gohan and Krillin, despite the fact it only takes Guru a couple of seconds and Dende had been standing right next to him the entire time. Characters don't really just get all these convenient and easy power ups during the down time. People already think Toriyama's way of powering up characters is lazy, but it'd seem even lazier if after every one was introduced it was just handed out to all the other characters during the peaceful time between sagas. And even in the case there was a threat, if it can beat Goku and Vegeta then Gohan turning God wouldn't really help anyway. So while it would make completely sense for Gohan, Trunks AND Goten to just spend a couple of minutes to all get God power, it doesn't really work from the writing perspective. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jul 19 2016, 01:29 AM Post #8 |
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Why? Why does there need to be an occasion? Gohan just needs to take 5 minutes out of his day to power up for future threats.
Er, Goku did that on the way to Namek when he discovered the advantages of Zenkais. Vegeta couldn't abuse Zenkais whenever he wanted to on Namek, as he didn't have immediate access to a healing pod or Senzu. After Namek though, Zenkais became infinitesimal, so there's no point in trying to abuse them. Elder Kaioshin merely removes to the need to transform, really. And I imagine Goku and Vegeta would prefer to rely on their own methods of improving themselves. After all, Goku didn't like that he needed help to attain Super Saiyan God in Battle of Gods. I mean, I suppose the Grand Elder's power up for Dende would have been helpful before, but it wasn't necessary. Well, as I pointed out, Zenkais became almost useless, and Goku and Vegeta probably wouldn't be interested in Elder Kaioshin's power up. Gohan honestly doesn't have an excuse in this case. Yeah, everyone running around with god powers would be kinda dumb, but that's the problem with the god ritual in general. It makes it too easy for people to become super duper strong. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jul 19 2016, 01:39 AM.
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| + Clearin | Jul 19 2016, 01:31 AM Post #9 |
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The rest of my post covered that. |
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| EMIYA | Jul 19 2016, 01:48 AM Post #10 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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What makes so little sense is how they're actively trying to make Gohan weaker. If Gohan isn't supposed to be important anymore, fine...throw him to the side, keep him with Piccolo and just let Goku and Vegeta do their thing while the rest cheer them on. They made it that Gohan's lack of training and fighting is a negative character trait that constantly effects him throughout his life. But if you aren't going to properly address this or really just ignore it completely...don't have it. Look at Krilin. He's a retired fighter but they didn't have to make him weaker. He just became less important. There was absolutely no reason to make Gohan weaker. You can keep him just as strong as he was during his battle with Super Boo and what changes? He's still going to be useless compared to Beerus, Godku, golden Freeza and the Frosty Saiyans. In the end, you'd get someone stronger than Krillin but just as useless to the story. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jul 19 2016, 01:52 AM Post #11 |
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In the words of Kaboom
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| + Saiyan Paladin | Jul 19 2016, 02:02 AM Post #12 |
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One of my biggest complaints was the big deal Gohan made about training again, and then it was just swept under the rug. I actually don't think the show has mentioned it once since the scene with him and Piccolo training.
Edited by Saiyan Paladin, Jul 19 2016, 02:03 AM.
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| breaker335 | Jul 19 2016, 02:06 AM Post #13 |
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A bigger problem is that it seems they're setting up Gohan to have his big moment like in Z. Unlike Z however it seems they're handling it really poorly and if he actually does have his big moment, it'll probably feel half assed/forced. |
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| EMIYA | Jul 19 2016, 02:16 AM Post #14 |
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In the end... Krillin is inconsequential. No matter how strong or weak he is, he's never going to be important and whatever happens, it's going to happen regardless of what Krillin has to say on the matter. Frankly Krillin knows this so he tries not to actively get into fights unless he has to. When they going after Babidi and Dabura, Krillin outright says that this far above his pay grade and it would best if he wasn't around. Gohan is a useless hindrance. He's someone who should have a point and should be important and practical to the story but ends up being a hindrance because of his ineptitude. |
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Jul 19 2016, 02:44 AM Post #15 |
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I don't mind Gohan taking down the scholarly road for a change and I don't think it was a mistake also. It kinda comes full circle. In Z he mostly journeyed and explored his Saiyan Side/life. Super, gives him the chance to explore more deeply and develop his human side/life. Also, in Z he always wanted a normal life and to do normal things. So, him taking this scholarly path and settling down suits him better IMO. It would be cool to see Gohan fight and become strong again maybe sometime later, but, I think Toriyama already made up his mind long time back during the initial stages of Buu Saga regarding Gohan's character direction. And, I honestly don't think Toriyama is gonna bother in adding dialogs or scenes saying or showing about Gohan both Training and being scholar, especially if that Training contributes no weight to the plot. |
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